Collapsible portable outdoor fireplace

Information

  • Patent Grant
  • 6286503
  • Patent Number
    6,286,503
  • Date Filed
    Thursday, March 16, 2000
    24 years ago
  • Date Issued
    Tuesday, September 11, 2001
    23 years ago
Abstract
A collapsible, portable outdoor fireplace with a fire screen assembly is easily broken down into its constituent components, which are stored in a space between the cover and bottom members of the fireplace. The fire screen assembly that is supported between the cover top and bottom members and includes a series of individual screen panels that are hinged together. The fireplace has a support structure that supports it off the ground and includes pairs of legs that are attached to the bottom member. The legs extend up through the cover member and terminate in handle portions. The legs include moveable joints that permit the handles to be collapsed upon the cover member to retain the cover and base member together.
Description




BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION




The present invention generally relates to portable fireplaces, and more particularly, to a portable outdoor fireplace having a collapsible nature.




Fixed outdoor fireplaces, such as those made from brick, masonry and the like have been known for years. Portable outdoor fireplaces have recently entered the marketplace and have evidenced a distinct popularity. The size of these portable fireplaces is small and their structures are such that they permit them to be easily moved from one location to the other. Such fireplaces are found in the patent literature.




U.S. Design Pat. No. Des. 293,191, issued Dec. 15, 1997 describes a portable outdoor fireplace which incorporates the top and bottom covers of the well-known Weber “Kettle” grill spaced apart by an internal framework that defines a fire pit area. The internal framework must be removed to close the top and bottom covers together. No provision is made for storing the internal framework within the top and bottom covers, and hence these type fireplaces require a large area for storage.




Another outdoor fireplace is described in U.S. Pat. No. 5,596,980, issued Jan. 28, 1997 that is similar to the structure shown in the aforementioned '191 design patent but which further includes a functional fire screen assembly in which a plurality of screens are fixed within a cylindrical frame assembly. This frame assembly includes top and bottom ring members that are spaced apart by columns. The fire screen assembly is large and must be removed and stored separately from the top and bottom covers. This fireplace cannot be easily disassembled and stored in a minimum amount of space because the internal framework of it cannot be easily disassembled.




Another outdoor fireplace is described in U.S. Pat. No. 5,832,915 issued Nov. 10, 1998 in which two hollow rectangular top and bottom members support a fire screen. The bottom member has a series of slots formed in it that receive individual legs. The legs may be inserted into similar slots or the top member to hold the two members together. The legs are slid into slots and are therefore prone to sliding out over when the unit is picked up because they are not attached to the unit. As such, they are prone to being lost. The legs of the unit do not remain on the fireplace when it is in a collapsed configuration.




The prior art therefore lacks a collapsible portable outdoor fireplace having a support assembly that remains attached to the base when the fireplace is collapsed.




SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION




The present invention is directed to a portable outdoor fireplace with a collapsible that overcomes the aforementioned shortcomings.




It is therefore a general object of the present invention to provide a collapsible fireplace that is suitable for outdoor use and having a large fire chamber, but which is constructed so that it may be easily assembled and disassembled.




Another object of the present invention to provide a collapsible portable outdoor fireplace and grill that includes opposing base and cover portions, a fire screen assembly supported on the base portion and which extends up from the base portion to define an enclosed fire area therewithin, the fire screen assembly being easily collapsible upon itself for storing between the top and bottom cover members, the fireplace having a handle assembly that is movable between two positions, the handle assembly serving as a means for retaining the top and bottom cover members together when the fireplace is collapsed.




A still further object of the present invention is to provide an outdoor fireplace having a base member that supports a fire screen assembly having a plurality of screen panels, the screen assembly being from a large configuration to a small configuration for storage between the top and bottom members thereof, and at least one of the screen panels forming a door of the assembly through which access to the interior of the fireplace may be had.




Yet another object of the present invention is to provide a portable outdoor fireplace having top and bottom cover members, the cover members being spaced apart from each other by a fire screen assembly, the fireplace including a support structure attached thereto and which supports the bottom member off of the ground, the support structure including pairs of support legs, the legs having upright extensions that pass through the top and bottom cover members so that the top cover member is slidable on the extensions between an open and a collapsed configuration, the extensions being hinged for folding upon the top cover member to retain the fireplace in a collapsed configuration.




The present invention accomplishes these objects in accordance with one principal aspect thereof by utilizing a pair of hollow, top and bottom members that serve as respective cover and base members for the fireplace. A fire screen assembly is supported on the bottom member in order to provide an enclosure for retaining combustible material within the fireplace. The fire screen assembly includes a plurality of individual screen panels that are hinged together, with one or two of the screen panels serving as hinged doors that may be opened without interfering with the cover or bottom member.




In another principal aspect of the present invention, the portable outdoor fireplace is easily collapsible without the need for tools. Due to their hinged nature, the fire screen panels may be collapsed, or folded, into a flat configuration so that the assembly can be easily stored between the cover and base members. The fireplace is supported off of the ground by a support assembly which includes pairs of posts disposed at the opposite ends of the fireplace. These posts extend through at least the cover member of the fireplace in a manner so that the cover member may be slid up and down along the posts away from or near the base member. The cover member is normally supported by the fire screen assembly, but when the fire screen assembly need be removed, the top member is supported on a pair of catch members that are disposed on the posts. In this configuration, the spacing between the top and bottom fireplace members is increased so that the fire screen assembly may be easily removed from the fireplace.




The posts also define as a handle structure for the fireplace. In this regard, they include movable joints that permit movement in one direction but not in another direction, so that the posts may be folded upon the fireplace cover member, thereby reducing the height of the fireplace when it is collapsed. The posts may further have handle portions disposed on their ends and, when collapsed upon the top member, the handle portions may engage the fireplace cover member in a snap-fit type of engagement in order to hold them in place on the cover member and hold the cover and bottom members together. This aspect of the present invention enables the portable outdoor fireplace of the present invention to be assembled, used, and disassembled without the requirement of tools.




The fire screen assembly is hinged together and has a preferred rectangular configuration so that it may be collapsed upon itself into a flat screen structure. The flatness of this collapsed screen structure permits it to be easily stored between the top and bottom members of the fireplace. Additionally, the top and bottom fireplace members each have an outwardly extending flange that runs continuously around the edges thereof. This flange not only support a grill and the fire screen assembly, but also provides an area through which the fireplace posts extend. The flanges further permit the fire screen assembly to fit inside of the posts, thereby saving time and effort when removing the fire screen assembly and when collapsing the fireplace.




These and other objects, features and advantages of the present invention will be clearly understood through a consideration of the following detailed description.











BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THE DRAWINGS




In the course of this detailed description, the reference will be frequently made to the attached drawings in which:





FIG. 1

is a perspective view of a compact, portable outdoor fireplace constructed in accordance with the principles of the present invention;





FIG. 2

is an end view of the fireplace of

FIG. 1

;





FIG. 3

is a side elevational view of the fireplace of

FIG. 1

;





FIG. 4

is a top plan view of the fireplace of

FIG. 1

;





FIG. 5

is a perspective view of the fireplace of

FIG. 1

in a collapsed configuration wherein the fire screens of the fireplace are accommodated between the top and bottom members thereof;





FIG. 6

is an end elevational view of the fireplace of

FIG. 5

;





FIG. 7

is a perspective view of the fireplace of

FIG. 1

with its fire screen assembly removed for complete access to the interior grill portion thereof;





FIG. 8

is a top plan view of the fire screen assembly used in the fireplace of

FIGS. 1-7

and illustrating one manner in which it may be folded upon itself for storage within the fireplace;





FIG. 9

is an exploded view of a support assembly used to support the fireplace off the ground.





FIG. 10

is a side elevational view of an alternate embodiment of a fireplace of the present invention, illustrating an alternate handle arrangement;





FIG. 11

is an end elevational view of the fireplace of

FIG. 9

;





FIG. 12

is a sectional view of the fireplace of

FIG. 1

, taken along lines


12





12


thereof; and,





FIG. 13

is a sectional view of the fireplace of

FIG. 1

taken along lines


13





13


thereof.











DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THE PREFERRED EMBODIMENTS





FIG. 1

illustrates a portable outdoor fireplace


30


, constructed in accordance with the principles of the present invention. The fireplace


30


includes opposing top and bottom members


31


,


32


, with each of the members


31


,


32


being hollow. In the embodiment shown, the top and bottom members


31


,


32


have a rectangular perimeter


34


and a semi-circular or semi-cylindrical cavity


35


. These members may be easily formed out of sheet metal, such as by drawing or stamping.




Each of the members


31


,


32


has a rim portion


36


that includes what may be considered as formed from a pair of flanges


38


,


39


. One of the flanges


38


extends generally horizontally while the other of the flanges


39


extends generally vertically. This is illustrated best in FIG.


12


. The combination of the horizontal and vertical flanges cooperatively define the rim portion


36


which supports the fire screen assembly


40


and a cooking grill


80


, if desired, as well as a support structure. This rim portion


36


extends around the perimeter of the hollow cavity defined in both the top and bottom members


31


,


32


. The hollow cavity


35


portion of the bottom member


32


serves as an area that holds combustible material, such as wood, charcoal, or the like, as well as supports, if desired, a cooking grill


48


. A series of support tabs, or pegs,


50


may be provided to support a grate


49


that holds combustible material off of the bottom member


31


and provides a channel for air underneath the material. These pegs


50


are shown as screws that extend through holes in the walls of the bottom member


32


, but may also be tabs attached to the interior face thereof. It will be understood that the particular configuration of the top and bottom members illustrated, i.e., the semi-cylindrical configuration, are for purposes of example only and that many other suitable configurations, such as hemispherical, may be used.




The top and bottom members


31


,


32


have similar shapes and as shown in the drawings, the two members may be somewhat mirror images of each other. In this depicted semi-cylindrical configuration, they cooperatively define, when the fireplace is collapsed, a distinctive overall cylindrical configuration. (

FIG. 6.

) A firescreen assembly


40


is provided that extends around the rim portion


36


and which provides a protection to the fireplace in order to retain burning embers and other hot material that is generated in the use of the fireplace.




Turning to

FIGS. 3 and 7

, the firescreen assembly


40


is provided in a “segmented” format. That is, the assembly


40


includes a plurality of individual screen panels


41


-


45


that are interconnected together at approximately the corners of the top and bottom members


31


,


32


. In the preferred embodiment illustrated, the fire screen assembly


40


includes five such screen panels


41


-


45


. One of the screen panels


41


forms the rear of the screen assembly


40


and extends for approximately slightly less than the entire length L of the fireplace. Two of the screen panels


42


,


43


form side panels of the screen assembly


40


and extend for approximately slightly less than the entire width W of the fireplace


30


. The front of the fire screen assembly


40


may include a pair of screen door panels


44


,


45


that cooperatively extend to approximately the front length of the fireplace. These panels


44


,


45


preferably have an extent such that they meet in approximately the middle of the front of the fireplace. The screen door panels


44


,


45


may include outwardly extending flanges


51


that can serve as handles which a user may grasp to open and close the door panels


44


,


45


. The screen door panels


44


,


45


may also include tabs


52


on their interior faces to engage the edge rim


36


of the bottom member


32


to restrain the door panels from opening inadvertently.




The door screen panels


41


-


45


are all hinged together so that, as illustrated in

FIG. 8

, they may be folded upon themselves. In this regard, and as depicted in

FIG. 8

, the two side panels


42


,


43


are preferably hinged so that they fold inwardly upon the rear screen panel


41


. The screen door panels


44


,


45


are connected to the side screen panels


42


,


43


so that they may fold upon the side screen panels in the opposite direction than the direction in which the side screen panels fold upon the rear screen panel. The screen assembly


40


may thus be folded up in an accordion-style fashion to take an overall flat configuration. The screen panels


41


-


45


are connected together using conventional hinges


54




a,




54




b.


In order to effect the preferred folding, the hinges may be alternatingly placed on the interior and exterior corners of the fire screen assembly


40


. In this manner, the hinges


54




a


connecting the rear screen panel


41


to the side screen panels


42


,


43


are placed along interior faces, while the hinges


54




b


connecting the side screen panels


42


,


43


to the screen door panels


44


,


45


are placed along exterior faces. The hinges


54




b


may be of the type that have hinge slots that receive pins disposed on. the screen door panels


44


,


45


so that the door panels may be removed when necessary, so that the fireplace may be used with only three screen panels


41


,


42


and


43


.




Importantly, the screen assembly


40


has an overall length L


s


that is less than the intervening length L


p


between the pairs of posts


50


. This difference in length permits the screen assembly


40


to be at least partially folded up and easily removed from the fireplace


30


.





FIG. 13

best illustrates the relationship of the fire screen assembly dimensions to the dimensions of the bottom member


32


. As mentioned previously, the interior rim


36


of both cover and base members


31


,


32


is wide and is defined by the horizontal flange portion


38


of the rim


36


. This horizontal flange portion


38


is wide enough to accommodate openings


56


therein that are sized to receive the posts


59


of the fireplace support structure


60


. The openings


56


are disposed within the boundaries of the flange


38


, while the length L


s


of the screen assembly


40


is less than the length between the posts


59


. In this manner, the posts


59


and screen assembly


40


will not interfere with each other. Also, the fire screen assembly


40


may be removed without taking the top off because the support structure


60


is not structurally or otherwise connected to the fire screen assembly


40


.




The support structure


60


includes pairs of legs


61


that are mounted to the ends of the bottom member


32


such as by bolts


65


or any other suitable fastening means. The legs


61


, as illustrated, have an angled portion


66


for contacting the ground and a vertical, or upright portion


67


that extends upwards and which is attached to the bottom member


32


. These upright portions


67


extend through the openings


56


in the rim flanges


38


and thus serve, in combination with the angled portions, to maintain the bottom member


32


off the ground.




The support structure


60


further includes handle portions


63


that are preferably disposed at the ends of extension portions


62


of the legs


61


. These extension portions


62


are illustrated best in

FIG. 9 and

, as shown may be of a slip-fit nature, although other suitable constructions may be used. The extension portions


62


contain hinges, moveable joints, such as pivot members or knuckles


64


, that allow part of the extension portions


62


, including the handle portions


63


to be moved between a first operative position, such as the upright position shown in

FIGS. 1-3

and


7


, and a second operative position, such as the flat position shown in

FIGS. 5

,


6


,


10


and


11


. Preferably, these joints


64


permit movement in one direction (toward the cover member


31


and back) but do not permit movement in the opposite direction (to the outer side of the fireplace


30


) so that the posts


59


will remain erect, when needed. The support structure


60


may thereupon be considered to have at least a C-shaped configuration in which the legs


61


act as the free ends of the “C”, while the handle portions


63


would act as the backbone of the “C”. These posts


59


, as do the entire support structure


60


, serve to maintain the cover member


31


in alignment and opposition with the base member


32


.




This first operative position is suitable for use with the fire screen assembly


40


in place on the bottom member


32


, as illustrated in

FIGS. 1 and 3

, as well as the extended configuration illustrated in

FIG. 7

, where the fire screen assembly


40


has been removed. In this extended configuration, the vertical distance between the cover and base members


31


,


32


exceeds the height of the fire screen assembly


40


, so that it may be removed and collapsed into a flat configuration where it may be stored in the cavity formed by the cover and base members


31


,


32


. In order to hold the cover member


31


in this extended position, the support structure


60


includes means for supporting the cover member


31


, shown illustrated as taking the form of catches


68


. The catches


68


illustrated are wire formed members with two ends


69


interconnected by an intervening hook portion


70


. (

FIGS. 2 and 7

.) The hook portion


70


is of such a configuration that it preferably includes a nest


71


in which the rim


38


of the cover member


31


will seat, as shown in FIG.


7


. Alternate styles of support means are also contemplated and the catches


68


illustrated are merely exemplary of one form thereof. These catches


68


may be easily moved into and out of engagement with the cover member rim


38


.




The moveable joints


64


of the support structure


60


permit the extension portions


62


to be folded upon the cover member


31


as best illustrated in

FIGS. 5 and 6

. The joints


64


are preferably located on the support structure so that they will approximately coincide with the edges


73


of the cover member


31


when the cover member


31


is placed directly on the base member


32


. In this regard, the upper part of the extension portions


62


may be folded down upon the cover member


31


as shown in FIG.


5


. In order to facilitate the sliding movement of the cover member


31


upon the posts


59


, the cover member


31


has a handle


75


disposed thereon. The handle


75


has means for engaging the posts


59


in the form of a pair of recesses


76


that are sized to receive and retain thereon the handle portions


63


therein in a snap-fit type of engagement. These recesses


76


are shown as semi-circular so as to match the configuration of the handle portions


63


and to thereby facilitate the snap-fit engagement. Other configurations may be used that are complementary in shape to the handle portions and other means, such as latches that may be attached to either the cover member


31


of the handle portions


63


themselves are also contemplated.




FIGS.


7


and


10


-


11


illustrate an alternate embodiments of a fireplace


100


of the present invention. In this embodiment, the support structure


101


that holds the bottom member


102


off the ground has a runner


103


that interconnects the pairs of legs


104


together. The handle portions


106


engage a clip


107


attached to the cover member


108


.




The fireplace


30


may also contain one or more vents


80


disposed in the endwall of the cover or base members


31


,


32


. The vents may be adjusted to control the amount of air entering the fireplace


30


in the area beneath the grate


49


. Turning to

FIG. 12

, it can be seen that the side screen panels


42


,


43


each have support feet


85


that rest upon the interior rims


30


of the cover and base members


31


,


32


. These feet


85


preferably may fit outside of or within openings of an elongated grill member


86


. The screen assembly


40


, as shown in

FIG. 8

, may include support members


87


arranged at different elevations to provide the user with a choice of grilling distances.




The openings


59


that enclose the support structure


60


are shown in the drawing as capturing the cover member


31


, in that the cover member cannot be lifted off of the fireplace because the handle portions


63


cannot pass through the cover member rim portion


36


. In an alternate embodiment, as shown by the phantom lines


90


in

FIG. 13

, the portion of the rim


36


that extends between the openings


56


may be removes so that the cover and base members have a slot


91


formed therein rather than a pair of openings. This slot


91


would be large enough to accommodate the upper part, i.e., the handle portions


63


, of the support structure


60


so that the cover member


31


may be lifted off of it without requiring the handle portions


63


to be removed.




While the preferred embodiment of the invention have been shown and described, it will be apparent to those skilled in the art that changes and modifications may be made therein without departing from the spirit of the invention, the scope of which is defined by the appended claims.



Claims
  • 1. A portable outdoor fireplace, comprising:a base member for supporting and burning combustible material therein; a collapsible fire screen assembly supported by said base member, said fire screen defining a fire chamber which contains and substantially encloses said combustible material within said base member, said fire screen assembly including a plurality of individual screen panels that stand up right upon said base member to define said fire screen assembly, said screen panels being capable of being folded into a substantially flat shape; a cover member for covering a top of said fire screen assembly in opposition to said base member; and, a support structure for supporting said base member off the ground, the support structure including at least two support members that are attached to said base member and which extend through portions of both of said base and cover members such that said cover member is movable vertically along said support members, each of said support members including a pair of legs interconnected by a handle portion, the legs including joints that permit said handle portions to be moved between first and second operative positions, said cover member including a latch member that engages said handle portions when said handle portions are in said second operative position to thereby hold said cover member in a closed position.
  • 2. The portable outdoor fireplace as defined in claim 1, wherein each of said legs include upright extension members, said movable joints being disposed in said upright extension members.
  • 3. The portable outdoor fireplace as defined in claim 2, wherein said upright extension members include means for supporting said cover member over said base member in a preselected spacing therefrom.
  • 4. The portable outdoor fireplace as defined in claim 1, wherein said fire screen assembly includes a rear screen panel, two side screen panels and at least one screen panel door, said rear and side screen panels being hingedly connected together along interior faces thereof and said one screen door panel being hingedly connected together along exterior faces thereof.
  • 5. The portable outdoor fireplace as defined in claim 3, wherein said cover member support means includes a hook member having two free ends interconnected by a catch portion, the free ends movably engaging said extension members such that said hook member catch portion may be moved into and out of engagement with said cover member.
  • 6. The portable outdoor fireplace as defined in claim 3, wherein said cover supporting means are disposed on said upright extension members between said handle portions and said movable joints.
  • 7. The portable outdoor fireplace as defined in claim 2, wherein said cover member includes a means for engaging said handle portions when said handle portions are in said second operative position.
  • 8. The portable outdoor fireplace as defined in claim 1, wherein said base and cover members have rectangular outer perimeters and hollow cavities.
  • 9. The portable outdoor fireplace as defined in claim 2, wherein said movable joints permit movement in one direction but not in an opposing direction.
  • 10. The portable outdoor fireplace as defined in claim 2, wherein said handle portions are upright in said first operative positions and said handle portions lie generally parallel to said cover member in said second operative position.
  • 11. The portable outdoor fireplace as defined in claim 1, wherein said each of said base and cover members include outer rims that extend around respective perimeters of said base and cover members and said support members extend through said base and cover member outer rims.
  • 12. The portable outdoor fireplace as defined in claim 1, wherein said support members of said support structure extend upwardly through slots formed in said base and cover members, and wherein said handle portions fit through said slots such that said cover member may be removed from said fireplace without the need to remove said handle portions from said support structure.
  • 13. A portable outdoor fireplace, comprising:a base member for supporting combustible material therein, the base member having a predetermined configuration; a cover member having a predetermined configuration that matches that of said base member; a collapsible fire screen assembly supported on said base member for substantially enclosing said combustible material within said base member, said fire screen assembly including a plurality of individual screen panels that stand upright upon said base member to define said fire screen assembly, said screen panels being capable of being folded into a substantially flat shape; and, means for supporting said base member off the ground, and for supporting said cover member in at least two operative positions in opposition to said base member, one of said operative positions being above and spaced apart from said base member, and the other of said operative positions being on top of said base member, the support means including pairs of leg members attached to said base member and that extend through both of said base and cover member outer edges, said leg members maintaining said cover member in opposition to said base member, said cover member being movable vertically along said leg members, each of said leg member pairs being interconnected by a respective handle portion, the leg members including movable joints disposed therein which permit said leg members to be moved between two handle positions, said support means including hook members for engaging said cover member and holding it in said one operative position, the hook members having free ends interconnected by a catch portion, the free ends movably engaging support means so that said hook member catch portions may be moved into and out of engagement with said cover member.
  • 14. The portable outdoor fireplace as defined in claim 14, wherein said legs include movable joints disposed therein which permit said handle portions to be moved between said two handle positions.
  • 15. The portable outdoor fireplace as defined in claim 13, wherein said fire screen assembly includes a rear screen panel, two side screen panels and at least one screen panel door, said rear and side screen panels being hingedly connected together along interior faces thereof and said one screen door panel being hingedly connected together along exterior faces thereof.
  • 16. A portable outdoor fireplace, comprising:a base member for supporting and burning combustible material therein, the base member having an outer rim portion; a collapsible fire screen assembly supported by said base member, said fire screen defining a fire chamber which contains and substantially encloses said combustible material within said base member, said fire screen assembly including a plurality of individual screen panels that stand upright upon said base member to define said fire screen assembly, said screen panels being capable of being folded into a substantially flat shape; a cover member for covering a top of said fire screen assembly, said cover member also having an outer rim in opposition to said base member outer rim; and, a support structure for supporting said base member off the ground, the support structure including at least two support members attached to said base member that extend upwardly through slots formed in said base and cover members, said support members being interconnected together by handle portions, said handle portions fitting through said slots such that said cover member may be removed from said fireplace without the need to remove said handle portions from said support structure, said cover member being movable vertically along said support members.
  • 17. A portable outdoor fireplace, comprising:a base member for supporting and burning combustible material therein; a collapsible fire screen assembly supported by said base member, said fire screen defining a fire chamber which contains and substantially encloses said combustible material within said base member, said fire screen assembly including a plurality of individual screen panels that stand upright upon said base member to define said fire screen assembly; a cover member for covering a top of said fire screen assembly in opposition to said base member outer rim; and, a support structure for supporting said base member off the ground, the support structure including two pairs support members attached to opposite ends of said base member, each pair of support members extending upwardly above said base member, each pair of support members further including leg portions at lower ends thereof and handle portions that interconnect upper ends of said pairs of support members together, each of said support members including joints disposed therein between said leg portions and handle portions, said joints permitting said handle portions to be moved between first and second operative positions, and said cover member including a latch member that engages said handle portions when said handle portions are in said second operative position to thereby hold said cover member in a closed position on top of said base member.
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